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more is there a little than 36 hours since the deadliest mass shooting in this country's history. we will explore some of the questions this hour. president obama made a brief public statements where he again promised action and also pleaded for stricter gun laws. president obama: it is an example of the kind of homegrown extremism that all of us have been so concerned about four a .ery long time
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we have to go after these terrorist organizations and hit them hard. with a counter extremism. we have to make sure it is not easy for somebody to decide they want to harm somebody in this country. to be able to obtain weapons. that over the next few days and weeks we are being sober about how we approach this problem. we let the facts get determined by the investigators. but we also do some reflection on how to best tackle what is going to be a very challenging problem. not just in this country around the world. mark: we're going to talk about the tragedy in orlando from all sides tonight. what does the shooting mean for the u.s. war against terror?
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there's no question that in these moments, we sought andr paris and brussels, , there is ano heightened degree of focus on the issues at hand. there is not perfect unanimity among the parties. state is at the core of these events. whether that is through direct recruitment or ideological , there is broad agreement that have to try to wipe out that threat abroad. the question is how we go about doing it. dealing with the homegrown element of this. what can we do within the
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borders of the united states. that is going to be a thorough debate for the rest of the campaign. it is a horrible event. i think it shows how much division there is an how to fight the war on terror. how much we need to sacrifice in terms of individual liberty. the vulnerability that there shows to us since 9/11. it shows just how unable the country is to stop something so simple. john: there is a kind of core level unanimity on the topic. people recognize we have to get the root causes. then there is a question of tactics how to go about that. they're pretty substantial differences between the parties about how to deal with root causes and also questions about
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how much we read define our way of life. how much do we enlist high-tech companies in the effort to root out people have an extremist ideology. although sings a very much on the table. for a decade we waited for this to come home. now it has very much come home. it will be a big and energetic debate. this shooting has run new calls for tighter gun controls. -- renewed calls for tighter gun controls. -- use ons pretty sunday were purchased legally by the shooter. this debate is perennial. what you think the shooting means for that discussion and that argument? zero.
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after every mass shooting there is talk about stricter gun control laws. because of the nexus here with so many other issues including national security i don't think this has any chance of having any impact on the debate about gun control. john: that is probably right in the short term. bill be front and center in the presidential campaign. -- but it will be front and center in the presidential campaign. clinton makes this central to her campaign and democrats take control of the senate and the house does the political circumstance that constrains action in this area change? hillary has been putting this front and center for months now. she may be laying the groundwork
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for having that happen. mark: i meant in the short term. hillary clinton is going to be the most aggressive candidate in the history of the country advocating more aggressive changes in gun control laws. this event is something she will talk about. the control of congress changes and clinton wins it could lead to change. the short-term debate is not going to be about gun laws. republicans control of congress. and a lot of states. issue on whichno there is more clear division
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between hillary clinton and donald trump this very issue. a predicate by secretary clinton being laid down here. if we assume this is not the last attack of this kind that we see on the homeland and certain things change then maybe it could be the first time there could be measurable change in this area in many years if those things happen in that sequence. mark: because the target of the thatk was a gay nightclub, has sparked an outpouring of support and solidarity with the lgbt community over the past couple of days. vigils have been held across the country and around the world. the eiffel tower is lit up in rainbow colors. what does this mean for gay rights? movement gay rights
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has been advancing for a long time. what we saw today is unlike the linesntrol debate where are clearly drawn and the parties remain far apart, this is suddenly bringing along a lot of republicans who have not been previously prone to talk about sympathetic aspects to the lgbt community. a lot of republicans are suddenly out giving expressions of sympathy. harder for a lot them to later or simultaneously be against other measures to help that community. there is no way in which you want to think about something like this as being a political upside or silver lining. there's no silverlight for the people who lost their lives. it bringing out more explicit sympathy for people who are not traditionally been sympathetic
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to lgbt writes in the last 24 hours. mark: as much as lgbt writes have advanced, this is still going to be a huge deal. you are receiver publicans talking about the community in ways that they did not before. it will make it much more difficult for those who want to have the republican party have a sharply different position from r nowrats on lgbt ights. how difficult would it be for an anti-lgbt cadre to put forward-looking laws like the
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bathroom laws in north carolina rights?to restrict lgbt it we demonstrate an incredible 10 year. ear. back, donald trump and hillary clinton responding to the attack. we will talk about what they said and how it may change the 2016 presidential race right after this quick rate. break. ♪
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john: hillary clinton and donald
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trump reacted to the orlando shooting over the weekend. they laid out their plans and speeches this afternoon. clinton spoke in ohio. trump spoke in manchester new hampshire. they each spoke about terrorism gun rights and the lgbt community. hillary clinton: the orlando terrorist may be dead but the virus the poisoned his mind remains very much alive. donald trump: it is an assault on the ability of free people to live their lives love who they want and express their identity. clinton: the attack in orlando makes it even more clear. we cannot contain this threats. we must defeat it. donald trump: when i am elected i will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the united states europe
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or our allies. inflammatoryon: anti-muslim rhetoric and threatening to ban the families and friends of muslim americans hurts the vast majority of muslims who love freedom and hate terror. hillary clinton for months and despite so many attacks repeatedly refused to even say the words radical islam. and so i challenge for yesterday and guess what. she will probably say them. she sort of has said them. let's see what happens. clinton: we have to stem the flow of jihadists to america. trump: we need to tell the truth about radical islam. we need to do it now. clinton: if the fbi is
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watching you for suspected terrorist links you should not be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. trump: her plan is to disarm law-abiding americans abolishing the second amendment and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. not going to happen. clinton: to all the lgbt people grieving today in florida you have millions of allies who will always have your back. >> and i am one of them. : as yourself who is really the friend of women and the lgbt community? donald trump with actions, or hillary clinton with her words? i will tell you with a better friend is. someday i believe that will be proven.
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john: big speeches. think -- how do you think the tragedy in orlando will affect the campaign? mark: we both said that if there's an event like this it will elevate national security thee even on a par with economy. i thought hillary clinton in the text of the speech being both tough and optimistic and in terms of the semiotics of the pretty close to flawless. she is in a different zone now in terms of communication. i thought donald trump gave people what he has on offer. to be a different kind of commander-in-chief. to shake things up. he talked about banning immigration from countries that .ave been problematic
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you see him simultaneously grappling with how to seem tough but also trying to change some of the policies that have bothered people in his own party. hillary clinton basically articulated what has been her policy all along. donald trump went further. he's trying to move away from being a religious test to broaden it and saint should be focused on terrorist ties. he's basically adding to the muslim band. he is gone further. it is going to be a bigger target for democrats. a lot of republicans who were worried about him i don't think he did a lot even with the teleprompter to ease that their concerns. he said a bunch of things that were not true. suggesting that the shooter was from afghanistan. net over very broad
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andentire muslim community saying they know when they're bad people in their midst and they are failing is for those people in. donald trump gave what he has given them. i don't think he did a lot today to reassure republicans who were worried about him as commander-in-chief. and 13ecretary clinton are confident in their bones that eliminating donald trump is thatceptable alternative will be most decisive in doing it on national security. they will say she performed as a steady leader and he performed .s a hothead
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a lot of americans will look at her record and the record of the , he mayht years and say be a hothead but that is what we need. we may be underestimating the extent to which trumps performance has broad appeal. the biggest weakness that stature,n terms of her she is now playing at a very high level. but the biggest weakness is her record. be able top will connect the obama record with her. safery the country is not . things are getting worse. there is a bad trend line here.
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the obama policies of not helps to make us safer. she is going to have to deal with that. the history that she has of being part of the obama administration. she is going to have to deal with that. trump can make some headway on that front. there's an awful lot about what he is saying there's going to make a lot of republicans nervous and a lot of democrats giddy. politically. coming up, we'll head to capitol hill. for how congress is reacting to the tragedy. we'll talk to a top democrat on the homeland security committee. ♪
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mark: we're talking about the horrific shootings in orlando. now is the democratic congressman from mississippi the ranking member on the homeland security committee. bennie thompson. given how open and free america is, should americans just accept this kind of incident is the new thompson: i think it is realistic that the government should start looking at what is happening and whether or not there are some things we can do. to minimize tragedies like what happened in orlando. what you will see over the next coming weeks is congress and other people looking at what could be done differently to
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prevent these attacks. changehat is one legal that could make this less likely? thompson: i'm hearing concern that if the fbi had this person makingr radar screen for ,errorist or extremist comments should that have disqualified him from buying a weapon? i think the lawyers look at that. notion of what kind of background checks would pick up such a thing. conducted the with thation information be enough to deny a person the right to own a gun? versus some other things right .ff the bat
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we look at similar things after 9/11. the band of being on airplanes now that before 9/11 we could do. knives.ers and we can't do any of that now. we've hardened to the cockpit doors on passenger planes. the cockpit doors on passenger planes. congress needs to look at it and say what can we do to prevent occurrences like this going forward. he may have been just inspired by the ideology. as a practical matter is that of any consequence?
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thompson: we talked to experts all over the country. that a free and open internet is a laboratory for just about anything you imagine. isisomeone who feels that is an ideology that they want to participate in they could very well become radicalized over the internet. that but lawok at enforcement and intelligence community for a long time have been very concerned about this notion of the lone wolf. are americanuals citizens. they are not people who came here from a foreign country. but they do terrorist related things. what can we do to identify lone
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wolves? the experts are looking at it and i think if we can we well. of laws.nation civil rights and civil liberties come into play. we still have to look at everything. john: thank you. when we come back some reporting on where things stand now in orlando. after this. ♪
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♪ as we cover all the angles of sunday's shooting in orlando,
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our next guest joins us from the streets of orlando. kate snow, thank you for coming -- "witho with respect all due respect." it is a huge shock that is sent across the community. give us a sense of how the various affected communities and the city more broadly is dealing with the fallout from what happened over the weekend. guest: it is hard. s, and people8 are still absorbing the shock. everyone has a look on their face, what has happened to our community? i am standing in front of pulse, a couple blocks down that way, and we have not been able to get close to the scene. bsorbingeen hard a
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the fact 49 lives were lost in a building. you feel distant because the police are keeping us away. obviously, they have to spend days processing it. they are going through the shooter's computer and digital trail to figure out more about him. we learned a lot more about him today from the fbi director in terms of all the times over the past few years he had sworn allegiance or said he supported various groups overseas. theearned more about shooter, but we are starting to learn more about the victims. lgbt community has obviously faced hate crimes and been subject to those crimes. this particular crime is tied up with the issue of islamic terrorism. to the extent you have had contact with victims' families,
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how are they dealing mentally with being hit with a double barrel hate crime? guest: i talked to a number of people about that very thing. community the lgbt here in nationwide. i was talking to a city councilwoman earlier, the first openly gay member of city council. andtalked about the shock feeling this was representative of the anger that is out there, the rage that still exists in this country. she says hatred is not the answer. what we saw saturday night is that the hatred is still very much alive. i do not know if we have a sound, but i asked her about donald trump's comment today. he said there are thousands of assault weapons in this country and it is impractical to control all those weapons. for response was, if we are not
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going to talk about gun control right now, when are we going to talk about it? there is this intersection of several things, the potential for terrorist connections, of gay rights and gay pride and that community struggling to come to terms with what happened, and the weaponry used and the questions coming up about gun rights. another interesting aspect of the interview you did with the councilwoman who knows the owners of the club well was her denouncing those who want to hold vigils around the city. talk about why she had that point of view and how big an issue that is for the city at large. guest: i was a bit surprised, taken aback, when she said we do not need more candlelight vigils. i said, why? said, there are plans nearby to have another candlelight vigil.
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that takes people away from the crime scene behind me. police officers have to staff and surround a crowd and make sure it does not get out of hand, make sure there is security. her point was that all we need right now is to figure out what happened here and help the families, help the victims, help those who are survivors. we do not need to have groups coming in taking advantage of the moment. she is sensitive that some groups have come here from other places outside of orlando. she thinks they just want the limelight, a little bit of attention. everyone would agree the attention should be on the families who lost loved ones and the people who survived. i mean, there are a lot of people walking around who were there saturday night. they are here with us still. that should be celebrated. mark: we know from new york after 9/11 and washington as well, other cities have dealt with horrible things like this.
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leadership has to be strong and talk about how the city will fight back. there is always some jitt eriness. how much of that are you feeling there, that people are not relaxed and worried about other attacks? guest: it is interesting. compared to other, and unfortunately, we have all been i too many scenes like this, do not feel as much a sense from people here that they are worried about something happening again imminently. there is a collective sense this that, according to family and friends, had a long history of instability. his own father describing it to my colleagues as someone who struggled with mental health issues. there is a sense this is one said, theuy, but that
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connection overseas and the fact that he wanted to swear allegiance to isis has the country on edge. this is a very different thing for the gay community, too. we have had hate crimes against individuals, but to have 49 people massacred in a gay club is different. john: we in the political world are looking at this to some lens. through a political we watched donald trump and hillary clinton respond. i know you are busy and did not have a chance to see both speeches. guest: i saw a large part of both of them. john: ok. i'm curious how much people down there are paying attention. could the people in the community have -- care less what donald trump and hillary clinton have to say? soon: i think it is too for most people who live here
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who are directly connected to what happened saturday night. they are still in mourning, trying to process what happened. they are not watching cable news and msnbc, tuning in to see the clinton or trump speeches. year, toa sensitivity go back to what the councilwoman said, do not take advantage of the moment. they do not want politicians or anyone else to be taking advantage of this tragedy to make a political point or score points. john: ok. kate snow, thank you so much for being down there. thank you for being with us. next, more about donald trump's speech in new hampshire. we will talk with a senior trump advisor when we come right back. ♪
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♪ the image of the eiffel to wer lit up tonight, one of the commemorations around the world for what happened in orlando. joining us now to talk about , who events, mary madeline is a member of the libertarian party. bureau, alongdc with barry bennett, senior campaign advisor to donald trump. ask forwould like to your sense of how the government and political system is responding to serve the public interest in the wake of what happened in orlando. guest: not well. you said to your previous anchorette how people care down
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there. they should not care less. what have the chattering class been talking about? gun restrictions, background checks, all of which would have made a difference. it is calculated. misdirection. it is not being handled well, political is a calculation. i did not leave because of donald trump. mark: i did not say you left because of him. i said you left in the wake of the nomination fight. guest: you are right. i retract that. mark: barry, talk about the campaign's decision to give the kind of speech he did today, change the schedule. what went into that decision? it is a great example of
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our government not doing its job. we know what causes someone to suddenly radicalize. we need to know. we can keepnow those people out of the country, from immigrating here. our government has totally failed at this. we are asking the fbi to clean it up. an impossible task. it is another example, unfortunately, of government failing. that will probably be a long-lasting effect. guest: i do not know if it is government failure. it is a cultural failure in that ivize coming forward, in the ft. hood case, the san bernardino case. we do not want to appear intolerant. i am pretty sure the fbi is doing their job as well as they
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are allowed to with the rules of engagement under which they are acting. want to comenot forward, we are going to have these kinds of tragedies. barry, let me ask you something about mr. trump said this morning about mr. obama. he does not get it. or he gets it better than anyone understands. either one is unacceptable. a man that is not tough, not smart, or has something else in mind. can you explain what those quotes mean? not the part about him not getting it. what is the something else in mind or that he gets it better than anybody else understands? guest: i think what he was talking about is he just stuck sand and refuses
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to call it what it is, radical islamic terrorism. it is all politically correct. we are not allowed to hate anybody, even terrorists. that kind of attitude, which is not helping the case. john: those are both consistent or hehe does not get it," is not tough, not smart. it is the other part i'm curious about. anyone it better than else understands or he has something else in mind. what does that allude to? guest: i think he has something else planned. he plans to throw it all on the next president. john: many people think mr. trump was suggesting that president obama was somehow complicit. is that not how we should interpret that? guest: that is exactly what i am saying. guest: maybe you could interpret
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it as he knows that obama supports open, lawless borders, which trump does not. midi he thinks obama is turning a blind eye because it comports with his plans. trumpmary, today, mr. gave his speech and said he was still in favor of a temporary ban on muslims coming into the country. immigration from countries with historic ties with terrorism. how do you feel about those proposals? guest: i think it is sort of a sledgehammer. the essence of it is correct. we could certainly have more scrutiny of people coming from known terrorist countries. we should do deeper background checks. we should have extra scrutiny. lone wolf address the wolf situation.
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we need to do scrutiny on these lone wolves and known wolves. they have no leaders. they do not call up isis central and say, i am punching in today. they do it the way they do it. it is constant for them. we need to do better scrutiny. we need immigration reform, anyways. part of the immigration reform would be to pay special attention in the way the people who are coming from countries that harbor terrorists. in, bennett,atal stand by. we will come back and talk more about the attacks in just a moment. if you're listening to us in washington dc, you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm in
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washington. ♪
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♪ john: we are back with the renowned republican, now libertarian, mary matalin, and barry bennett. just before we went on the air, we got word looking at donald onmp's facebook page, based incredibly inadequate coverage, we are revoking the press credentials of the washington post. the executive editor has said that revocation is nothing less than a repudiation of a independent press.
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can you explain what the washington post has done to justify your campaign revoking credentials? guest: i wish i could. i have not been able to talk to the campaign since i saw the facebook post. john: mary, you have dealt with the press for a long time, sometimes in adversarial circumstances. is there a circumstance in which you could imagine in the middle revoking the credentials of the washington post? but therebably not, have been occasions where i slept across the face various reporters at carmax across the country. across themacs country. i am not sure it matters. has a line of communication around the country that transcends the washington post. it is off message. i guess that is on message for him.
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now: should the press right take this as a warning sign that the campaign,ases it faces retribution of this kind? that is the inference i would draw from this action, that everybody is on notice. guest: i do not know it was meant as a warning shot. age, thes social media press is remarkably less important. more people read that post then the washington post, i assure you. i assume you are not ,aying that the press television networks, the washington post, is now irrelevant and should be disregarded. day, that was the only way to get your message out.
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plane wereon the your only chance is to get your message out. that is not the case today. barry, is inappropriate for a campaign to allow or not allow coverage of a news organization based on that organization's coverage? is that appropriate? appropriate,not but that happens every day. mark: i understand. you are saying the trump campaign has never denied a news organization access based on coverage? it has been widely reported -- politico, for instance, has been banned from a lot of events, but is -- it does not stop them from reporting. mark: but is it appropriate to ban an organization because they do not like the coverage? guest: you can certainly ban
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access, absolutely. guest: i do not think it is inappropriate. mark: not inappropriate to say we do not like the story? you cannot cover us? guest: if you did not like coverage of a particular reporter, you could choose not to do interviews with them. mark: it is not about interviews. it is about whether you denied press credentials to cover events other news organizations are allowed to cover. mary, is that appropriate? guest: i think it is a waste of time, making a big pronouncement about it. you know better than anybody there are ways to ban or de- credential press who you want to punish. that is as old as campaigns are. what is disconcerting is making a big hoo-ha about it.
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on the other hand, when mr. in theade a big hoo-ha new york times and it collapse on itself, it reinforced a meta-message of his. he needs to get more on a policy and principle message. mark: just to be clear -- john: go ahead. mark: it is not about whether it has been done before. i do not think it has been done on this scale in my career. it is not about whether you can get away with it. it is a matter of principle. news organization should be denied coverage to open press events because of the content of things they have written or said previously. i have not heard either of you say you think it is appropriate or not. guest: it is ineffective. it is inappropriate in a campaign because it is ineffective. go ahead and cover it.
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what i thought was counterproductive was making a big hoo-ha out of it. we agree it is inappropriate. one of us, who does not work for trump, is saying it was counterproductive. john: we will be right back. ♪
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mark: a lot more coverage on the orlando shooting and its implications on politics on coming up, emily chang speaks to the ceo's of microsoft and linkedin. ♪
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mark: you are watching "bloomberg west." hospital officials say five of 53 people wounded in sunday's mass shooting in orlando are
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